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"But the value of understanding electability is not in figuring out how to win safe seats by greater margins. It lies in the clues it provides to winning swing voters who could tip the balance in battleground districts. Nominating candidates who are relatively more extreme can cost a party seats, while nominating contenders who are more moderate can gain them seats." - LJ

FWIW, I think he's relatively correct in his prescription and solution of a key problem: battleground states are difficult to win, and nominating moderates relative to progressives can help tip those scales favorable to Dems at large. Given that GEM also found an effect of 1-1.5 points, it seems that at least that is directionally correct. If the effect is overstated, that seems like a technical argument that I'm glad you three are having.

Note on the Aaron Judge metaphor - I think ST's WAR does not tell people that changing their name to Aaron Judge means that they'll do better. I think it communicates "players that bat worse than Aaron Judge could consider trying some of things that Aaron Judge does." And sure, maybe Aaron Judge is so unique and context specific that no batters should consider trying what Aaron Judge uses to be such a good player.

But at the very least, I think it's valuable to study how the Aaron Judge's habits with batting rather than trying to say "Because we don't know what can drive batting performance, there's no value in Max Kepler trying to learn from Aaron Judge."

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G. Alex Janevski, PhD's avatar

While the quantitative argument presented here is fairly convincing on its own, I think there's a qualitative argument to make, which you may have intentionally not included so as to not muddy your argument.

It goes like this: progressive candidates often face more brutal primaries, more attacks from within, undermining by the Democratic party, itself, which then makes subpar performance of these candidates more likely in the general election. Let's take the Mamdani situation as an example. He's currently heavily favored to win, with some models suggesting a 75% probability of a win. While that feels large, especially in our era of frequent toss-up elections, note that it's not that different from what 538 predicted for Clinton in 2016, so it's hardly certain.

Now imagine if Mamdani had the backing of the party, all of the notable endorsements, and didn't have massive media machines organized against him. Do all of these things hurt his election chances? Maybe we're at the point where too many mainstream endorsements are actually harmful. But my gut still tells me that the Democratic nominee would be a shoo-in for an election in this anti-Trump political environment, and it's the "Democratic" moderates, themselves, who are preventing this.

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